Add Hiking, Cycling, Driving, City Tourism, Public Transport map styles/layers

biodranik commented

2021-11-19 20:40:50 +00:00

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Obviously, different activities require focusing on different objects on the map. Let's collect here all style changes and improvements from the current "generic" style to more specialized ones. Which icons and paths should be highlighted? What should be hidden? Which colors should be changed? Concrete examples will help us to implement it faster.

#2356
#2357
#2358
#2360
#6841
Public Transport style

Or if you're ready, you can experiment with map styles using our desktop application and text editors. See more in the docs

Obviously, different activities require focusing on different objects on the map. Let's collect here all style changes and improvements from the current "generic" style to more specialized ones. Which icons and paths should be highlighted? What should be hidden? Which colors should be changed? Concrete examples will help us to implement it faster. - [x] #2356 - [ ] #2357 - [ ] #2358 - [ ] #2360 - [ ] #6841 - [ ] Public Transport style Or if you're ready, you can experiment with map styles using our desktop application and text editors. See more in [the docs](https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/blob/master/docs/STYLES.md)

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anibyl commented

2021-11-19 21:11:10 +00:00

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Cycling highlights:

highway=cycleway
cycleway=*
cycleway:lanes=*
cycleway:lanes:*=*
bicycle:lanes=*
bicycle:lanes:*=*
bicycle=yes specifically (?)
bicycle=no specifically (?)
cycle_network=*
network=lcn
network=rcn
network=ncn
network=icn
consider different colours for lanes and cycleways, or different surfaces
amenity=bicycle_parking
amenity=bicycle_repair_station
amenity=bicycle_rental (?)
amenity=drinking_water
amenity=toilets
amenity=shelter
amenity=cafe (?)
amenity=pub (?)
amenity=hospital (?)
shop=bicycle
tourism=viewpoint (?)
tourism=camp_site (?)

Cycling highlights: - `highway=cycleway` - `cycleway=*` - `cycleway:lanes=*` - `cycleway:lanes:*=*` - `bicycle:lanes=*` - `bicycle:lanes:*=*` - `bicycle=yes` specifically (?) - `bicycle=no` specifically (?) - `cycle_network=*` - `network=lcn` - `network=rcn` - `network=ncn` - `network=icn` - consider different colours for lanes and cycleways, or different surfaces - `amenity=bicycle_parking` - `amenity=bicycle_repair_station` - `amenity=bicycle_rental` (?) - `amenity=drinking_water` - `amenity=toilets` - `amenity=shelter` - `amenity=cafe` (?) - `amenity=pub` (?) - `amenity=hospital` (?) - `shop=bicycle` - `tourism=viewpoint` (?) - `tourism=camp_site` (?)

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starsep commented

2021-11-20 08:04:58 +00:00

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More cycling infrastructure:

bicycle=designated, possibly different style for segregated=yes/segregated=no
oneway:bicycle=no

For me amenity=bicycle_rental would be extremely helpful

More cycling infrastructure: - `bicycle=designated`, possibly different style for `segregated=yes`/`segregated=no` - `oneway:bicycle=no` For me `amenity=bicycle_rental` would be extremely helpful

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map-per commented

2021-11-21 09:16:39 +00:00

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I think that showing cyclerouts (route=bicycle/mtb) is very important. Its't probably rather complicated however.

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meinrad-0 commented

2021-11-26 13:29:28 +00:00

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For hiking this might be a start:

POI musts:

Water sources (amenity=drinking_water / =spring / =water_well)
tourism=camp_site / =alpine_hut / =wilderness_hut
amenity=shelter & shelter=yes
leisure=bird_hide / =wildlife_hide
amenity=hunting_stand
tourism=Viewpoint
amenity=bench
tourism=picnic_site
leisure=picnic_table / =outdoor_seating
amenity=pharmacy / =hospital
shop=outdoor
natural=peak / =saddle / =cliff
information=guidepost
Elevation
boundary=national_park / leisure=nature_reserve

POI possibly:

shop=supermarket / =convenience
power=line (for orientation)
amenity=restaurant / =cafe
emergency=mountain_rescue

Paths:

key=sac_scale (possibly indicated by different colors)
watmarked trails. Should be clearly visible and named
Personally I wouldn't change to many roads/paths as this might make reading the map very difficult when switching between profiles

For **hiking** this might be a start: POI musts: - Water sources (amenity=drinking_water / =spring / =water_well) - tourism=camp_site / =alpine_hut / =wilderness_hut - amenity=shelter & shelter=yes - leisure=bird_hide / =wildlife_hide - amenity=hunting_stand - tourism=Viewpoint - amenity=bench - tourism=picnic_site - leisure=picnic_table / =outdoor_seating - amenity=pharmacy / =hospital - shop=outdoor - natural=peak / =saddle / =cliff - information=guidepost - Elevation - boundary=national_park / leisure=nature_reserve POI possibly: - shop=supermarket / =convenience - power=line (for orientation) - amenity=restaurant / =cafe - emergency=mountain_rescue Paths: - key=sac_scale (possibly indicated by different colors) - watmarked trails. Should be clearly visible and named - Personally I wouldn't change to many roads/paths as this might make reading the map very difficult when switching between profiles

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pastk commented

2021-11-26 17:19:46 +00:00

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For hiking a floating current elevation widget will be very helpful.

Better (more detailed) elevation profile in route building.

More prominent/detailed elevation contour lines.

Features like cliff lines (barriers), obstacles, paid/free camp sites distinction.

Improve search for hiking-related features like water sources and camp sites.

I think its possible to differentiate between track's prominence/importance (so that they don't clog the map in high zoom but still provide good routes overview in low zooms). Prefer:

paths in route=hiking relation (national, marked routes etc.)
named paths over noname
better quality / easier paths over low quality ones, e.g. as determined by surface, width, smoothness, tracktype, sac_scale, visibility etc. (this data could be used to improve route time planning too)

I think the latter will be useful for general road network rendering / route building too.

For hiking a floating current elevation widget will be very helpful. Better (more detailed) elevation profile in route building. More prominent/detailed elevation contour lines. Features like cliff lines (barriers), obstacles, paid/free camp sites distinction. Improve search for hiking-related features like water sources and camp sites. I think its possible to differentiate between track's prominence/importance (so that they don't clog the map in high zoom but still provide good routes overview in low zooms). Prefer: * paths in `route=hiking` relation (national, marked routes etc.) * named paths over noname * better quality / easier paths over low quality ones, e.g. as determined by `surface`, `width`, `smoothness`, `tracktype`, `sac_scale`, `visibility` etc. (this data could be used to improve route time planning too) I think the latter will be useful for general road network rendering / route building too.

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pastk commented

2021-11-26 17:40:11 +00:00

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Basically all hiking-related keys/tags of importance are documented in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Hiking

arnaudvergnet commented

2021-12-03 19:33:47 +00:00

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An example of a good cycling map is the app Geovelo. It displays filled lines for cycleways, long dashed lines on the side of the road for cyclelanes, dots for footpath where cycles are permitted, and arrows when bicycle are allowed in one way streets.

geovelo	organic map

This makes it very easy to understand which path are the safest and the more adapted to a bike.

An example of a good cycling map is the app Geovelo. It displays filled lines for cycleways, long dashed lines on the side of the road for cyclelanes, dots for footpath where cycles are permitted, and arrows when bicycle are allowed in one way streets. | geovelo | organic map | |-|-| | ![Screenshot_20211203-202534_Geovelo](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/80701113/144661608-9278bcda-fb52-45ee-a18b-4b72d0d34b65.png) | ![Screenshot_20211203-202948_Organic_Maps](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/80701113/144661761-9c341882-87de-44f0-81fd-84f685a927da.png) | This makes it very easy to understand which path are the safest and the more adapted to a bike.

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pastk commented

2022-01-31 14:21:00 +00:00

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Another map style idea: Snow map

Display winter/ice roads and add more focus on winter sports features like ski pistes, downhill ski runs etc.

At the moment e.g. skiing pistes are shown on the map together with trails/path (and are taking precedence actually) and its very confusing in the summer time:

It would be better to display them on the "snow map" only and hide from other map styles.

Another map style idea: **Snow map** Display winter/ice roads and add more focus on winter sports features like ski pistes, downhill ski runs etc. At the moment e.g. skiing pistes are shown on the map together with trails/path (and are taking precedence actually) and its very confusing in the summer time: ![Screenshot_1643638602](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/18434508/151809518-f1190297-a25c-4e31-8974-7cf5b9b48058.png) It would be better to display them on the "snow map" only and hide from other map styles.

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DennisGaida commented

2022-02-22 11:50:56 +00:00

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Would it be very hard to be able to define custom map layers, i.e. disable some features? I was led to this issue by multiple other issues where people wanted to e.g. disable "businesses" POI or disable "parking" POI. I wouldn't need a totally separate layer with a specific theme for this (e.g. "walking"), I would want to be able to disable specific POI classes.

Personally I would love to disable the "Commemorative plaque" POI, but I wouldn't want a "No sightseeing" map layer, just want to disable specific POI.

Would it be very hard to be able to define custom map layers, i.e. disable some features? I was led to this issue by multiple other issues where people wanted to e.g. disable "businesses" POI or disable "parking" POI. I wouldn't need a totally separate layer with a specific theme for this (e.g. "walking"), I would want to be able to disable specific POI classes. Personally I would love to disable the "Commemorative plaque" POI, but I wouldn't want a "No sightseeing" map layer, just want to disable specific POI.

biodranik commented

2022-02-22 14:13:40 +00:00

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Would it be very hard to be able to define custom map layers, i.e. disable some features? I was led to this issue by multiple other issues where people wanted to e.g. disable "businesses" POI or disable "parking" POI. I wouldn't need a totally separate layer with a specific theme for this (e.g. "walking"), I would want to be able to disable specific POI classes.

Personally I would love to disable the "Commemorative plaque" POI, but I wouldn't want a "No sightseeing" map layer, just want to disable specific POI.

That means that we need to implement a dialog with a list and icons of all POIs. We prefer to avoid it as much as possible, by providing better-made styles, or maybe by allowing community-created styles later.

Speaking about "Commemorative plaque", why do you want to remove it? Maybe we can tune it somehow in the existing style? What is your use case? Can you share a screenshot?

> Would it be very hard to be able to define custom map layers, i.e. disable some features? I was led to this issue by multiple other issues where people wanted to e.g. disable "businesses" POI or disable "parking" POI. I wouldn't need a totally separate layer with a specific theme for this (e.g. "walking"), I would want to be able to disable specific POI classes. > > Personally I would love to disable the "Commemorative plaque" POI, but I wouldn't want a "No sightseeing" map layer, just want to disable specific POI. That means that we need to implement a dialog with a list and icons of all POIs. We prefer to avoid it as much as possible, by providing better-made styles, or maybe by allowing community-created styles later. Speaking about "Commemorative plaque", why do you want to remove it? Maybe we can tune it somehow in the existing style? What is your use case? Can you share a screenshot?

DennisGaida commented

2022-02-22 15:00:07 +00:00

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My particular use case is a bit politically loaded which is would prefer not to use it as a public example.

OSM contains a lot of POI information which is very useful in some contexts. Taking the commemorative plaque example, I may be interested in tourist attractions, e.g. a large statue or a big fountain and if there are many commemorative plaques (say every other house in a street) you will not find these larger tourist attractions because the interface is cluttered with the plaques.

From a POI-point of view this is perfectly valid and fine. These plaques exist, but it may not be what I am looking for and they clutter the interface. Similarly: I may be exactly looking for these plaques so they may be beneficial for other users.

This is why a dialog with a list of all POI to enable/disable would be awesome. Maybe a list with the general categories of POI and then a possibility to drill down and disable/enable things.

My particular use case is a bit politically loaded which is would prefer not to use it as a public example. OSM contains **a lot** of POI information which is very useful in some contexts. Taking the commemorative plaque example, I may be interested in tourist attractions, e.g. a large statue or a big fountain and if there are many commemorative plaques (say every other house in a street) you will not find these larger tourist attractions because the interface is cluttered with the plaques. From a POI-point of view this is perfectly valid and fine. These plaques exist, but it may not be what I am looking for and they clutter the interface. Similarly: I may be exactly looking for these plaques so they may be beneficial for other users. This is why a dialog with a list of all POI to enable/disable would be awesome. Maybe a list with the general categories of POI and then a possibility to drill down and disable/enable things.

rabfulton commented

2022-03-02 14:21:40 +00:00

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When I am out hiking and cycling the biggest issue I have is that when I zoom out all the paths I would like to use are no longer visible. When zoomed in I can see the trails I am interested in but I cannot see where they go without lots of panning. It would be great if I could indicate to the app what types of routes are most important to me or select a specific trail and have that be given priority when zooming out.

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pastk commented

2022-03-02 14:24:17 +00:00

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When I am out hiking and cycling the biggest issue I have is that when I zoom out all the paths I would like to use are no longer visible. When zoomed in I can see the trails I am interested in but I cannot see where they go without lots of panning. It would be great if I could indicate to the app what types of routes are most important to me or select a specific trail and have that be given priority when zooming out.

You might be interested to track #2185 also.

Unfortunately trail selection won't help much because usually trails are split into many smaller independent segments.

> When I am out hiking and cycling the biggest issue I have is that when I zoom out all the paths I would like to use are no longer visible. When zoomed in I can see the trails I am interested in but I cannot see where they go without lots of panning. It would be great if I could indicate to the app what types of routes are most important to me or select a specific trail and have that be given priority when zooming out. You might be interested to track #2185 also. Unfortunately trail selection won't help much because usually trails are split into many smaller independent segments.

alensiljak commented

2022-03-23 16:45:52 +00:00

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I'd suggest collecting all the different types here and then having separate issues for each individual one, containing the implementation details.
If comments about hiking, cycling, skiing, etc. all go here, it will result in a lot of disconnected discussions.

I'd primarily be interested in a hiking mode. My only experience is with OsmAnd and it is doing a fairly good job so, at the same time, I can't help but wonder what comparative advantage would Organic Maps bring to the table.

I'd suggest collecting all the different types here and then having separate issues for each individual one, containing the implementation details. If comments about hiking, cycling, skiing, etc. all go here, it will result in a lot of disconnected discussions. I'd primarily be interested in a hiking mode. My only experience is with OsmAnd and it is doing a fairly good job so, at the same time, I can't help but wonder what comparative advantage would Organic Maps bring to the table.

ackern commented

2022-04-06 21:28:33 +00:00

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I'm not sure if you're asking for any and every suggestion so I'll just state my own preference: I'd vote for making it possible to hide (turn off) businesses and other entities. A terrific model for this is an app just called Offline Maps for Android by Topobytes.de. You can individually show or hide every category and sub-category imaginable such as house numbers, restaurants, bakeries, bars, nightclubs, museums, cinemas, schools, libraries, bookstores, jewelers, hardware stores, ATMs, mailboxes, bus stops... dozens more. And it's easy to turn whole broad categories on/off with one click.

Also the legibility of the building outlines, streets, text etc. is without a doubt the best I have seen out of dozens (hundreds) of different online maps. The colors are superb: mild enough to not be irritating or distracting, but distinct enough to easily distinguish buildings from open space etc. I can't recommend it highly enough.

In fact it's not clear to me how often anyone ever really wants to see all those features and many more on a map at the same time. I don't get the feeling that mapmakers have ever stopped to think about this (except at Topobytes! - and maybe here?) What exactly are the scenarios where it's truly helpful to know that Street X has a florist, embassy, mosque, car repair shop, and preschool? I guess if you're looking for an apartment to rent and want to know the neighborhood, or strolling around in an unfamiliar place and need to know "turn left at the veterinarian" in case there's no street sign but I would imagine those are less than 10% of cases, maybe 1% or 0.1%. I keep them all turned off all the time except for occasional situations where I have a specific need for a single trip.

I'm not sure if you're asking for any and every suggestion so I'll just state my own preference: I'd vote for making it possible to hide (turn off) businesses and other entities. A terrific model for this is an app just called Offline Maps for Android by Topobytes.de. You can individually show or hide every category and sub-category imaginable such as house numbers, restaurants, bakeries, bars, nightclubs, museums, cinemas, schools, libraries, bookstores, jewelers, hardware stores, ATMs, mailboxes, bus stops... dozens more. And it's easy to turn whole broad categories on/off with one click. Also the legibility of the building outlines, streets, text etc. is without a doubt the best I have seen out of dozens (hundreds) of different online maps. The colors are superb: mild enough to not be irritating or distracting, but distinct enough to easily distinguish buildings from open space etc. I can't recommend it highly enough. In fact it's not clear to me how often anyone ever really wants to see all those features and many more on a map at the same time. I don't get the feeling that mapmakers have ever stopped to think about this (except at Topobytes! - and maybe here?) What exactly are the scenarios where it's truly helpful to know that Street X has a florist, embassy, mosque, car repair shop, and preschool? I guess if you're looking for an apartment to rent and want to know the neighborhood, or strolling around in an unfamiliar place and need to know "turn left at the veterinarian" in case there's no street sign but I would imagine those are less than 10% of cases, maybe 1% or 0.1%. I keep them all turned off all the time except for occasional situations where I have a specific need for a single trip.

pastk commented

2022-04-07 09:10:33 +00:00

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I'd suggest collecting all the different types here and then having separate issues for each individual one, containing the implementation details. If comments about hiking, cycling, skiing, etc. all go here, it will result in a lot of disconnected discussions.

Yeap, its a good idea. Please feel free to create separate issues for misc layers and move relevant info there.

> I'd suggest collecting all the different types here and then having separate issues for each individual one, containing the implementation details. If comments about hiking, cycling, skiing, etc. all go here, it will result in a lot of disconnected discussions. > Yeap, its a good idea. Please feel free to create separate issues for misc layers and move relevant info there.

pastk commented

2022-04-07 09:20:58 +00:00

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@ackern @DennisGaida
The POIs disable feature was requested several times already, so I created a separate issue for it: #2355

@ackern @DennisGaida The POIs disable feature was requested several times already, so I created a separate issue for it: #2355

pastk commented

2022-04-07 15:08:53 +00:00

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It looks like we should have a general (default) view and a few specialist views: driving, cycling, hiking.
And those specialist views are closely related to a mode of transport of the user. Also they're intended for temporary activities.

Let's brainstorm how these views will work with the existing routing/navigation mode (which has a driving, cycling, pedestrian and public transport options already) and also with the existing map layers (contour lines, subway).

If a user is in the cycling view and switch into the routing mode then probably no sense to show car and pedestrian options there? What if its the general view? Show all routing options like it is now?

Does it make sense to show a subway layer for someone in the hiking view?

It looks like we should have a general (default) view and a few specialist views: driving, cycling, hiking. And those specialist views are closely related to a mode of transport of the user. Also they're intended for temporary activities. Let's brainstorm how these views will work with the existing routing/navigation mode (which has a driving, cycling, pedestrian and public transport options already) and also with the existing map layers (contour lines, subway). If a user is in the cycling view and switch into the routing mode then probably no sense to show car and pedestrian options there? What if its the general view? Show all routing options like it is now? Does it make sense to show a subway layer for someone in the hiking view?

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alensiljak commented

2022-04-07 15:26:35 +00:00

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Does it make sense to show a subway layer for someone in the hiking view?

Where do you dig these questions? :D
Short answer: yes.
Long answer: subway is a pedestrian/cycling mode of transport, really. I believe that in practice one would be hard-pressed to find a hiking route close to a metro route so they should not negatively affect each other. Usually it would be the opposite, where a metro is used as a means of transport for a part of the route.
This is dependent on whether we are talking about strictly Hiking view or Pedestrian view. Since it is probably too much to have both, let's say the Pedestrian view includes Hiking, which is a smaller subset.
If we define it like that, then the subway (or public transport in general) is definitely useful to have in the Pedestrian view.

A good point is raised in terms of what happens in the route planning in this case. Should the route use public transport or prefer walking?

Use cases:

city navigation on foot
public transport in the city
hiking in the mountains
walking in the suburban areas (bus routes + walking paths)

> Does it make sense to show a subway layer for someone in the hiking view? Where do you dig these questions? :D Short answer: yes. Long answer: subway is a pedestrian/cycling mode of transport, really. I believe that in practice one would be hard-pressed to find a hiking route close to a metro route so they should not negatively affect each other. Usually it would be the opposite, where a metro is used as a means of transport for a part of the route. This is dependent on whether we are talking about strictly Hiking view or Pedestrian view. Since it is probably too much to have both, let's say the Pedestrian view includes Hiking, which is a smaller subset. If we define it like that, then the subway (or public transport in general) is definitely useful to have in the Pedestrian view. A good point is raised in terms of what happens in the route planning in this case. Should the route use public transport or prefer walking? Use cases: - city navigation on foot - public transport in the city - hiking in the mountains - walking in the suburban areas (bus routes + walking paths)

Salim9304 commented

2022-05-30 21:49:35 +00:00

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I'm not sure what to write here, but I'll try.

Osmand has a radius measuring, circular ruler, this function, in my opinion, is unrivaled, it allows you to instantly measure the distances between any objects, changing only the scale. For example, northeast southwest of two cities; from the bridge to the field and so on. Thus, in campaigns, the terrain is instantly studied. In OM, to measure the distance between two objects, you need to rotate the map and adjust to the lower right corner, this will work once or twice, but for a constant, instant assessment of unknown terrain, it's easier to switch to osmand with a circular ruler.

Please add a circular ruler.

I'm not sure what to write here, but I'll try. Osmand has a radius measuring, circular ruler, this function, in my opinion, is unrivaled, it allows you to instantly measure the distances between any objects, changing only the scale. For example, northeast southwest of two cities; from the bridge to the field and so on. Thus, in campaigns, the terrain is instantly studied. In OM, to measure the distance between two objects, you need to rotate the map and adjust to the lower right corner, this will work once or twice, but for a constant, instant assessment of unknown terrain, it's easier to switch to osmand with a circular ruler. Please add a circular ruler.

Salim9304 commented

2022-06-02 12:21:59 +00:00

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Water

The situation in practice: a cyclist searches for "water" through the search, points with drinking water are highlighted for him, everything would be fine, but, for example, he will not see the nearest points, because they are highlighted only when zoomed in. In the search, you can see the entire list of points with water, but there is also a problem: where they are located is unknown.

The decision to highlight all the points typed through the search at any scale (scale up to 5km). Or in the search list to display the distance to each point with water (ideally display in abbreviated letters the direction relative to the current position and the north from above, for example, SW, 100m.), and not just a bare list that gives nothing to the user.

**Water** The situation in practice: a cyclist searches for "water" through the search, points with drinking water are highlighted for him, everything would be fine, but, for example, he will not see the nearest points, because they are highlighted only when zoomed in. In the search, you can see the entire list of points with water, but there is also a problem: where they are located is unknown. The decision to highlight all the points typed through the search at any scale (scale up to 5km). Or in the search list to display the distance to each point with water (ideally display in abbreviated letters the direction relative to the current position and the north from above, for example, SW, 100m.), and not just a bare list that gives nothing to the user. ![InShot_20220602_153101989](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/61138725/171629944-2d98ccf3-9e11-4b77-b99f-4a70f923a6d0.jpg)

biodranik commented

2022-06-03 05:36:49 +00:00

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@Salim9304 it's a known issue related to the search implementation. There were already several issues about it, you can check them and add your +1 there.

@Salim9304 it's a known issue related to the search implementation. There were already several issues about it, you can [check them](https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps/issues?page=3&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+search+label%3ASearch) and add your +1 there.

pastk commented

2022-06-25 15:45:16 +00:00

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There is an experimental OM build with an outdoors map style in organicmaps/organicmaps#2356 (comment)

There is an experimental OM build with an outdoors map style in https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps/issues/2356#issuecomment-1166312991

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