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Display metro entrances in overlay (and handle exit-only doors + accessibility) #10125

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opened 2025-01-23 21:47:09 +00:00 by bjohas · 8 comments

bjohas commented

2025-01-23 21:47:09 +00:00

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⚠ Have you searched for similar, already existing issues?

Yes

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.

The metro layer for London, UK, shows the actual stop point of the train as a hollow circle. However, as a human, to board the tube, I need to walk to one of the tube entrances rather than the stop point. The stop point (often under ground) can be far from the entrances.

The Transport for London documentation indicates which stations are accessible. However, it does not indicate which entrance or entrances are accessible. As a user with mobility requirements it is frustrating to have to try several entrances.

Some tube exits are "exit only". It's frustrating to walk to such a point, thinking that you can enter the tube d athere.

Describe the ideal solution
A clear and concise description of what you want to see in Organic Maps.

I would like to see the tube entrances highlighed on the metro view, perhaps even with very faint lines connecting the entrances to the tube stop/platform.

The data is already available in OSM relations. I would be happy to extract those and our organisation (OpenDevEd) would be committed to maintaining and updating these.

Describe alternatives you have considered

How do you solve this issue now with Organic Maps or other apps?
Attach any examples, screenshots, or screen recordings from other apps that help us to better understand the idea.

Other apps (based on osm or Google maps) don't support this.

We have considered developing our own app, but would much prefer to integrate with an existing app and an existing user base

⚠ Have you searched for similar, already existing issues? Yes **Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.** 1. The metro layer for London, UK, shows the actual stop point of the train as a hollow circle. However, as a human, to board the tube, I need to walk to one of the tube entrances rather than the stop point. The stop point (often under ground) can be far from the entrances. 2. The Transport for London documentation indicates which stations are accessible. However, it does not indicate which entrance or entrances are accessible. As a user with mobility requirements it is frustrating to have to try several entrances. 3. Some tube exits are "exit only". It's frustrating to walk to such a point, thinking that you can enter the tube d athere. **Describe the ideal solution** A clear and concise description of what you want to see in Organic Maps. I would like to see the tube entrances highlighed on the metro view, perhaps even with very faint lines connecting the entrances to the tube stop/platform. The data is already available in OSM relations. I would be happy to extract those and our organisation (OpenDevEd) would be committed to maintaining and updating these. **Describe alternatives you have considered** - How do you solve this issue now with Organic Maps or other apps? - Attach any examples, screenshots, or screen recordings from other apps that help us to better understand the idea. Other apps (based on osm or Google maps) don't support this. We have considered developing our own app, but would much prefer to integrate with an existing app and an existing user base

bjohas commented

2025-01-23 21:49:39 +00:00

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changed title from London tube exi{-s-}ts to London tube exits

changed title from **London tube exi{-s-}ts** to **London tube exits**

Misalfgit commented

2025-01-23 23:48:14 +00:00

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#7873
#6096

- #7873 - #6096

RedAuburn commented

2025-01-26 17:09:35 +00:00

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This is a good idea. metro entrances/exits are actually already displayed in the normal style, but don't have exit-only info etc. they should definitely be displayed in the metro overlay.

Entrance accessibility (wheelchair=yes/no/limited) Should already be displayed, but i'm not sure how well tagged it is on metro entrances in OSM yet

related issue:

#1308

This is a good idea. metro entrances/exits are actually already displayed in the normal style, but don't have exit-only info etc. they should definitely be displayed in the metro overlay. Entrance accessibility (`wheelchair=yes/no/limited`) Should already be displayed, but i'm not sure how well tagged it is on metro entrances in OSM yet related issue: - #1308

RedAuburn commented

2025-01-26 17:48:18 +00:00

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changed title from {-London tube exits-} to {+Display metro entrances in overlay (and handle exit-only doors + accessibility)+}

changed title from **{-London tube exits-}** to **{+Display metro entrances in overlay (and handle exit-only doors + accessibility)+}**

pastk commented

2025-01-28 09:44:59 +00:00

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#1778
#4961

Related: - https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps/issues/1778 - https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps/issues/4961

bjohas commented

2025-01-28 18:50:26 +00:00

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@RedAuburn and all, thanks for the note. Is it the case that wheelchair accessibility is shown correctly in organic maps? E.g. railway=subway_entrance, wheelchair=yes doesn't seem to lead to an accessibility note or comment in organic maps in this case: node 5322792288, 9F32J2GW+6P.

I appreciate that the tagging may not be correct... I'll check out a few other entrance types as soon as I can.

`@RedAuburn` and all, thanks for the note. Is it the case that wheelchair accessibility is shown correctly in organic maps? E.g. railway=subway_entrance, wheelchair=yes doesn't seem to lead to an accessibility note or comment in organic maps in this case: node 5322792288, 9F32J2GW+6P. I appreciate that the tagging may not be correct... I'll check out a few other entrance types as soon as I can.

RedAuburn commented

2025-01-28 19:10:00 +00:00

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wheelchair=yes doesn't seem to lead to an accessibility note or comment in organic maps in this case: node 5322792288, 9F32J2GW+6P.

Tagging looks good; It shows on that node for me (The icon under the title, and the card once expanded):

> wheelchair=yes doesn't seem to lead to an accessibility note or comment in organic maps in this case: node 5322792288, 9F32J2GW+6P. Tagging looks good; It shows on that node for me (The icon under the title, and the card once expanded): <img width="300px" src="https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/f7f669d0-b792-433f-989c-9b2a2a38e063"/>

bjohas commented

2025-01-28 21:41:12 +00:00

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@RedAuburn - thanks! So turns out I had a very old version of the OSM download, where the tag hadn't been added yet. Updated maps, and now shows as intended. My apologies!!

Here are some concrete questions:

~~Do you think it would be possible to display the wheelchair:description tag where it exists? Here's an example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4984999298#map=19/51.515491/-0.070625.~~ Instead, see here: #1953
Do you think it would be possible to make the tube entrances more obvious in the metro view?
For London, the tube entrance nodes do not contain the tube line/stop name, but they are part of a relationship that has the stop name which in turn has the line. For a map user, it would be good to see that information attached to the entrance node. Would it be possible to add this information to the entrance node? I'd be happy to extract the data via overpass or otherwise. Also, as you probably know, there are specific TfL codes in use, so it should be possible to create a dataset that doesn't easily go out of date.

What do you think?

`@RedAuburn` - thanks! So turns out I had a very old version of the OSM download, where the tag hadn't been added yet. Updated maps, and now shows as intended. My apologies!! Here are some concrete questions: 1. <s>Do you think it would be possible to display the wheelchair:description tag where it exists? Here's an example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4984999298#map=19/51.515491/-0.070625. </s> Instead, see here: https://git.omaps.dev/organicmaps/organicmaps/issues/1953 2. Do you think it would be possible to make the tube entrances more obvious in the metro view? 3. For London, the tube entrance nodes do not contain the tube line/stop name, but they are part of a relationship that has the stop name which in turn has the line. For a map user, it would be good to see that information attached to the entrance node. Would it be possible to add this information to the entrance node? I'd be happy to extract the data via overpass or otherwise. Also, as you probably know, there are specific TfL codes in use, so it should be possible to create a dataset that doesn't easily go out of date. What do you think?